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Battery compartment "in body" cover

Post by vjmanzo » Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:43 pm

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Re: Battery compartment "in body" cover

Post by vjmanzo » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:34 pm

Unscrewing the battery cover in a live situation is not an easy operation. I'm proposing some sort of modification to the battery cover design/shape by which the sides are squeezed and it clips into place, or some other "quick release" method.

@jb63 , @Patzag, @billy, @Big Swifty: do any of you have thoughts on this or disagree with my whining about this? (I know you all have pre-refined Flys, which is why I tagged you specifically). I'm looping in a student on this mod now who has contributed to this project.

There could also be a revision to the model that allows the battery to be gripped in some way so it's easier to pull out of cavity.
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Re: Battery compartment "in body" cover

Post by jb63 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:08 pm

I have an extra battery cover with the piece it fits into, all removed and cleaned up if you need to use it for fabricating something new.
BUT...
I have never ever had to change a battery mid-set. Mostly because I'm obsessive and keep testing them. I still haven't moved to rechargeable, though!

The biggest issue I have is pulling the battery out. It tends to get a little stuck and I have to shake it and slap the fly to get it out enough to get a grip on it. I solved this problem by using an actual ribbon slip around it, between the connector snaps, when sliding the battery into the cavity and then when i open the cover, just grab the ribbon and it pulls right out.

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Re: Battery compartment "in body" cover

Post by vjmanzo » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:21 pm

Cool workaround! Makes sense. Thanks for the thoughts on this; we'll kick the idea around a bit.

Thanks for the offer about the cover--we have the cover modeled and I'm actually going to 3D print a few of those in the next couple weeks (anyone need one?! I seem to recall someone on the OF mentioning they needed one :| ). Does "the piece it fits into" you're referring to include frame that goes around it? We haven't modeled that or the thing that goes inside the body yet; I may PM you about that at some point.
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Re: Battery compartment "in body" cover

Post by Mr303 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:54 am

Maybe your 3D printed piece could have ribbed tabs fitting into the studs (like nylon rivets in autobody) with a small tab for removal on the top.
Make it all pressure fit and carry spares.

I put a loop of scotch tape on the battery and leave it folded under the cap for easier removal. Run tape up both sides.
The ribbon works too but can get lost.

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Re: Battery compartment "in body" cover

Post by vjmanzo » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:31 am

Excellent!! Thanks!
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Re: Battery compartment "in body" cover

Post by jb63 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:11 am

Scotch tape! I can't believe I never thought of that!
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Re: Battery compartment "in body" cover

Post by Mr303 » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:34 pm

I just replaced 9v batteries in a couple emergency flashlights and the connection made me think about the always difficult battery hookup/removal problems inherent with the Fly. I believe they are called PALights.

The flashlights have flat spring contacts instead/in place of the traditional 9v plug so the battery slips in top first.
The only caveat is the baseplate must be locked down firmly to make the connection.
It uses a small t-shaped twist lock that might solve that problem if it can be adapted at each screw hole.
My old etrex gps unit has an even smaller micro fold-down wire D handle t-lock on the battery compartment.

So...Place a flat spring loaded connector at the bottom or internal end of the battery compartment so that installing or taking the cover plate off would allow the battery to connect or fall free without the wire/fragile plug bs. The flat connectors have a rib separating each pole to help support the battery. Put a “+” sign strip of labeling tape inside the compartment for reference.

Just looking at the modeled part....if you printed the entire battery box (incorporating the 9v flat connectors) you could use a tradition pressure fit double pin and fingernail lock top like back cavity battery boxes are configured and eliminate screws pins etc.?
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Re: Battery compartment "in body" cover

Post by vjmanzo » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:43 pm

That’s a good idea! So, what if we made a baseplate with battery contacts on one side and terminals on the other that allow someone to snap the existing connector into it. Then the pressure from the battery holds it in place, and we redesign the battery compartment cover so that ya easier to open and it puts a bit of pressure on the battery with an additional strip of foam or a spring or something like that on the inside of the cover to accommodate different battery sizes.

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Re: Battery compartment "in body" cover

Post by Mr303 » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:54 pm

Added to my original..


Just looking at the modeled part....if you printed the entire battery box (incorporating the 9v flat connectors) you could use a tradition pressure fit double pin and fingernail lock top like back cavity battery boxes are configured and eliminate screws pins etc.?

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Re: Battery compartment "in body" cover

Post by vjmanzo » Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:43 pm

I’d considered that; that might be the best approach. We can look into those types of openings. I’m a little mindful of the amount of the length of the battery cable and the potential for something to pulled out.

Underlying this whole adaptation, I feel, should be that this part is a “zero mod” drop-in replacement; you just plug this new part in with what’s already in the Fly and you’re good to go.
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Re: Battery compartment "in body" cover

Post by Patzag » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:55 pm

I've never had to replace a battery mid set.
But it is a definite pain to get the battery changed unless you place a piece of tape on it that sticks out sufficiently to pull the battery out.
That's been my modus operandi for years now. In fact, I've used the same piece of tape on dozens of batteries and that makes the change easy.
But as far as the plate, nah. Never had a problem with it and don't think I ever will.

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Re: Battery compartment "in body" cover

Post by Notes_Norton » Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:31 am

How long do your batteries last?

I change mine once a year, on my birthday, whether it needs it or not.

The still pretty good 9v batteries get used in other devices where a failure isn't a problem.

BTW, I like the scotch tape suggestion. It's a PITA sometimes to get the battery out of my DF.

My big beef is the cavity is black, both connectors look the same (no spring and snap) and the + and - markings are difficult to see. I'm thinking about putting a dot of nail polish on one or the other, then all I have to do is remember which one I put the dot on ;D (That could be it's own problem)

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